growing at a relatively slow rate because we're a mature economy and too many people out there -- >> not religions, ngulatioregulh government policy -- >> it is but the world environment is too intense. >> what do you think, michael? >> there's truth and valid points. one thing is interesting, believing you will have a robust -- earnings will be driven by the consumers supposedly putting in double-digits growth in the next few months. byron hit good points, expecting things to come down. this cocktail being brewed up in washington. if you were a business leader and listened to these guys on calls, would you want to be drinking with what these guys are brewing? i don't know. i think they will be conservative. i don't think you will have a cap x driver behind uncertainty. there's a lot of wild cards. a ssymmetrical performance.ear it's a mixed bag and no conviction in the marketplace, so much contradictory information, some says things are better and things are worse. >> corporations have had it good in terms of profit margins, interest rates, ability to borrow. >> they're peeking. >> the only way t